for the ladies: women in leadership part 1

Some of you may be wondering why I think this issue is worth talking about - isn't this done and dusted? Unfortunately not.

I’ll never forget hearing a certain statement preached as truth in front of that many people. I had flown to England to be part of an international leadership conference and the guest speaker was Pastor Mark Driscoll from Mars Hill Church, Seattle. There were around 12,000 leaders gathered from all around the world, and mid-way through one of his presentations Driscoll declared to everyone, “If you allow women to be elders in your churches then your movement will fail.” It took me a while to pick my jaw off the floor. He based this assertion on scripture, citing Paul as the authority on the matter and insisting that he was simply being biblical. Scary stuff. I would actually argue the opposite of Driscoll. Time will tell on that one I suppose.

It wasn’t the first time I’d heard stuff like this though. I’ve grown up in churches that didn’t move from a position that women cannot lead churches or preach in them. Funnily enough, there was often a loophole that allowed them to teach and lead other women and children, but men were always out of the question. They told me the bible was clear on the matter: women were never to be a man's superior. I remember sitting in a leadership meeting for a church, and a guest to this meeting was a prominent leader from among the movement. He had come to offer direction and guidance. I decided that since he was so privy to the thinking that had shaped the movement I would ask him why they had arrived at the conclusion that it was beyond doubt that women could lead churches. I told him that in my view it was a bad reading of Paul. This basically led me to being told that I was essentially fearing the opinions of man, rather than God. He told me that at an intersection, one person has to give way to another in order for anyone to get anywhere and that it was like that for men and women. Women have to submit to men in order for any decisions to be made in the end. Impressive reasoning right?

The women in these churches were told that this was the biblical model, and that God only likes it that way. They were told that to be a godly woman meant that submission was the way it had to be. There was no discussion on the matter outside of intending to indoctrinate people to this point of view. I became increasingly uncomfortable with this thinking. For one thing, I knew so many women gifted in leadership and preaching that were unable to exercise their gifting because of this oppressive theology. And it seemed that men actually needed to learn to be led by women and the church looked like the perfect environment for this. It also seemed to sound like something very foreign to the voice of Jesus. It sounded counter-intuitive on so many levels. But it also seemed that the writings of Paul gave them no room on this either.

To put it simply, it’s just not as clear as that. Like anything in the bible, it is dangerous to take one verse or passage out and use it as a rule without considering other writings. As it happens, not even Paul sticks to this thinking. So where does this thinking come from? Many are convinced that this argument is only important now because of modern feminist thinking. But the Waldensians of the 12^th and 13^th centuries, the Anabaptists of the 16^th century, the Quakers of the 17^th and 18^th centuries and John Wesley’s Methodist movement in the 18^th century all allowed women to be preachers, teachers and leaders. The Salvationists even put it into writing.

Crazily enough, the bible has its fair share of female leaders; we have Miriam, Deborah and Hulduh who led the people in different ways in the Old Testament period. And the early church was countercultural in this respect too, Paul addresses Priscilla, Pheobe and Junia as leaders of churches and fellow co-workers. In AD 112 Pliny the younger wrote a letter to the Emperor Trajan about Christians asking for advice on how to deal with them. He told Trajan that he had tortured ‘two female slaves who are called deacons.’ The Christian community had already transcended the boundaries of sex and class. Amazing stuff.

I’m stoked that Windsor Park allows women to lead. It’s so good that Amanda is our pastor in some ways just because she’s a woman! But this conversation is long and complex with many viewpoints and reasons for taking certain positions. I’ll try and cover as much as I can over the next few posts. It’s an important conversation to have, which is why I want to give it some air time. I don’t want to see women, often gifted people in key areas of church life with lots to offer, made to feel as though they are going against God’s will if they want to lead. I don’t want them made to feel like submission is the only option. This isn’t the voice of modern feminism or a product of moral relativism. This is getting back to the roots of the gospel. Proclaiming freedom. Listening to Jesus.

Archaic patriarchal notions of male dominance are not okay.